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David Blaude
Dear Steve, dear professor Biers,
One year and half ago, there was a little debate in a reunion of Walloon rifondeus to determine whether we should consider the Wisconsin Walloon as a variant of the Central Walloon or as a different variant.
It is quiet important for us because in order to class the various sources of dictionaries and other list of words, we use codes with a letter relied with a dialect :
E for Eastern
E1, E2, E3, E4, etc
C for Central
C1, C2, C3, C4, etc.
S for Southern
S1, S2, S3, S4, etc.
O fort Western
O1, O2, O3, O4, etc.
R for rifondou
R1, R2, R3, R4, etc.
G for general Walloon
G1, G2, G3, etc.
You can see here a very long list :
https://lucyin.walon.org/diccionairaedje/djiveye400.html
We use these codes in order to reference the different variants on the Wiktionary
==== {{H|ortografeyes}} ====
{{Orto
| poirté = E203
| poirter = C9a, R9,R10,R11,R13,R15
| porter = O3
| portér = FO94
| pôrter = O2,O90
| pôrtér = FO94, SpO1 p. 42
| poûrter = O4
| poûrtér = FO94
| pwartè = C8,C13
| pwarter = C9 (a « spale » et dvins bråmint des mots « {{loyén|sopwarter|ling=wa-fel}} »\, « {{loyén|r(i)pwarter|ling=wa-fel}} »\, evnd.)
| pwârter = C9
| pwârtér = FO94
| pwèrter = E1,E165
| {{loyén|spoirté|croejh=Vi|ling=wa-vsis}} (''s' poirter'') = E178
}}
and the DTW (diccionaire di tot l' walon).
poirter [C9a,R9,R11,R13,R15]; pwarter [C9]; pwartè [C8,C13]; poûrter [O4]; poirté [E203]; pwârter [C9]; pwèrter [E1,E165]; pôrter [O2,O90]; porter [O3]; pwârtér [FO94]; poûrtér [FO94]; pôrtér [FO94]; portér [FO94] / (s' poirter); spoirté [E178]
After some discussions, it has been decided that the Wisconsin Walloon should be regarded as a variant of the Central Walloon and not as a new category.
That's why the first source of Wisconsin Walloon, a list of words of Leonard Lampreur, was ranked as C74.
I did not finish it, but there are already about two hundred words of this list on the wiktionary :
https://wa.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?search=C74&title=Sipeci%C3%A5s:Cweri&ns0=1
Although it wasn't my opinion to rank it as C central model, I respect entirely the decision which was made collectively.
However, I lately found new elements that could relaunch the debate.
Indeed, as Wisconsin Walloon sources are increasing, I am wondering if it would be not better to ask the Wisconsin Walloon themselves how they would define themselves.
Creating a new special category could also facilitate the categorisation of Wisconsin Walloon resources for people that are looking for it specifically. If, on the contrary, you judge it unnecessary, it is as this is an equally conceivable possibility.
As long as we strive to provide content that intends to meet people's expectations as best as possible, feel free to tell us what you think about it.
I don't intend to impose or even to suggest what should be done, but just know your point of view on this matter that concerns you.
I added Mr. Mahin in a copy of this message in order to let him give his own point of view on this matter.
Truly yours
David |
Por mi, c' est kine. Mins c' est l' veur ki les djins d' låvå nos pôrent dire cwè. Mins, end a-t i co, des cåzeus ? D' èn ôte des costés, les rcwereus savèt i les pondants et les djondants des categoreyes ? Ki ça våye come ça vout, i våt mî s' arinner po n' nén awè deus sistinmes diferins. Dj' elzî va scrire ene pitite sacwè e l' inglès. Av atôtchî ossu Pablo (k' esteut dins les decideus)?
Personnaly, I do not mind (categorization in Central Walloon or in a diferent category "Wi"). But it is better to communicate to know each other's systems.
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